I really like this game; simulation stuff like this is always so easy to get into a groove with. However. I wish there were more actual written/story-based events for intimate scenes, as just clicking the buttons and seeing a few sentences on what happens can get very repetitive. I know that that can be hard to implement, though. I just wish I could do more story-wise with the admirer or best friend, instead of the storylines just ending.
I wish you could change more about NPCs because there was one I was vibing with but he wouldnt date me cuz he was straight (at least, he was straight when he wasn't taking my dick ig)
Do you mean to be able to wash single, selected, pieces of clothing? I don't know what else would be the motivation to implement what you propose.
I don't get it. Could someone explain it to me? The way it is implemented now, just wear something not stained and everything else will be washed. Including all the stained pieces. What's wrong with this?
I still don't get the point. The washing process takes only one hour? I just put everything inside, stay there and play a niche.tv video and voila, everything is clean. At least at the moment it doesn't matter if you wash your clean clothing a thousand (or more) times.
I do get however that one might want to wash just some selected pieces. Like just *some* stained but not all. So you can wear all your favorite, unnecessarily stained, panties while selling all the others stained ones to the perverts.
And tbh, I also would like the clothing getting dirty, not necessarily stained, after wearing it for a while. If this was the case and wearing dirty clothing would cause some reaction (which to my knowledge it doesn't atm), and if the capacity of the washing machine was limited, *then* selecting which pieces to wash would be 100% justified.
Yeah, dirty clothes could be a cool mechanic, have it add a flat debuff to the hygiene modifier or something; an incentive to actually interact with the washing machine even if you are inclined to avoid situations that gets your clothes dirty.
You mean, it's impossible to go immediately, right? You can of course wait for one hour and go. There is nothing that would prevent you from doing it, right? So in the end we are talking about a one hour delay? In a game that plays over almost a year?
Well, everyone has their priorities, but tbh, the way the OP has written the original request, I would rather have Anthaum write new events instead.
And again, I don't mean I don't get the point of selecting pieces of clothing to wash separately. I do get it. Provided the game would add some really interesting reasons for it. Like what I wrote in my previous post.
My comments are only in relation to the OP's request. And I never had the problem with waiting the one hour when playing. But of course ymmv. Don't get mad at me. Not that I felt like anybody did.
I think it would be fun to have threesomes as an option. It could be calling two friends to yours or their bedroom, as long as it matches their sexuality.
I've heard of events like this if you're in the cheerleader team, but I'm speaking of "casually" calling two of your contacts for a threesome without needing to rely on an event that only happens if you're in a specific activity.
The longer it takes to implement, the worse it's going to be in the long run. It'll effect everything. It's not as simple as adding a new location or a new event/job. It'd be a core mechanic. Something that will most likely be a part of every old and new event and update. Past events and interactions might have to be rewritten to account for it. I'd think it's being worked on over several months in the background instead of something to simply add in a single month or two time of work.
Small changes have all ready been implemented anyway to account for pregnancy being a thing in the future. I'd probably expect they can add contraception before they add cycles, and then later on add actual pregnancy. Then you also have to factor in events of what certain npc would say if they're the one that got you or you got pregnant. Then other npc could potentially get others pregnant without you even being a factor. It's something that I'd probably not want to start putting into the game because it'd take so much time to do correctly. A weather system, housing system update, school update, and tons of other systems would be easier to implement than pregnancy at the moment.
I feel like there should be an option to snub people. Like, I like the option to socialize with people before class, but it doesn't make sense that my character should try every day to talk to someone who clearly hates them and bullies them.
It also makes it hard to lose friendship with people if they make you mad (I'm looking at you, friend who keeps telling everyone I blew him. You don't get to stay my friend if you keep interrupting class to tell people that!)
So maybe a toggle on their info page where we can decide if we're mad at/avoiding them? And then when it comes time to socialize before class they won't show up in the people we try to strike up conversation with, or we ignore them if they do.
I was wondering if you could add a cheat to remove one of the master's rules. Mine just added one that fucked up how I have to dress just not to get in trouble
If it's not too late you can reload a save from before you were giving the rule, do things in a different order, and it will change the RNG and you may get a new rule to follow.
I noticed that since the recent update, the 'resist penetration' and 'ask not to penetrate' options always result in them relenting. Is this intentional? or is it a bug?
Hmm.. I played so many versions lately that I don't really know. It's possible - and I believe you if you say so - that there is a new bug in the f version. Since a g version was released, did it get better?
No. i won't blame the creators though. its a very small detail. you'd have to actively seek it out to notice.
most people just assume rng and move on. i wanted a specific result, and upon not getting it. i did some testing. so unless they intentionally removed it to be less... 'Rapey' It was probably broken in a tweak or something.
Can you tell me in which version it still worked? I would try to find the cause and if successful post a bug report on Discord. Or did you already do it?
Might I make a request for more activities to do when you chose to roleplay as a loner? I find it really hard to keep relaxation and attention up (although the addition of books have been interesting) without spending a day or so of the week spam clicking interaction with the pet.
Maybe an option to sit by yourself in the park (and have possible encounters with various NPC there) or work part-time at the school's library for money.
Isn't playing with niche.tv and CollegeCams as well as watching tv in the lounge perfectly fine for loners? These are pretty strong Relaxation wise. You can also always play games alone.
They restore relaxation, yes, but not attention. To my knowledge the only way to get attention as a loner is to be stared at when you ran into someone while you walk, and that's rather minimal. Otherwise it's constantly calling your friend to hang out and making sure you don't miss the nightly hangouts.
To be fair, getting low attention while being a loner is definitionally expected, but I think there should still be more activities to do though.
Yes, you are completely right. I forgot you mentioned both, Relaxation *and* Attention.
More activities are of course always welcome and if you are honest, the main work put into the game atm is to provide more activities. The whole River Rat thingy is full of new activities.
I think we are to see more and more activities as the development of the game progresses.
Streaming does absolutely nothing for Relaxation, and can increase Attention.
At this point, Pesha, with all your ludicrous comments, I am pretty well convinced you haven't actually played this game longer than it took for you to learn specific terms and are now just constantly trolling.
What's your Exhibitionism skill value? I would think this is too low. But you are probably right. Might be a bug. Anathaum said there will be an update soon-ish with a lot of further bug fixes.
10 Exhibitionism (Cheated playthrough because I restart every time there's a new update and don't feel like playing through everything manually to see new content).
1. It's personal preference, I have 0 interest in cats. If everything else is changeable through settings, why can't the cats be?
2. Why would I waste my time going to the cats for charisma when it is one of the easiest traits to build passively.
3. I'm not asking for the cats to be removed from the game... I'm not some self indulgent douche who thinks that simply because I don't have an interest that no one else should have that content...
I just had a thought. With the river rat being a bar and such it gave me the idea of why not add a bar maid dress to the game and you can get a slight work level up bonus when wearing it?
Well. Perhaps for now. And compared to the QuickieBurger you are completely right. Keep in mind though that at the moment we only have effectively one year of college life. The college will hopefully have all four years enabled some time in the future. Already now I think a lot of stuff is leveling up too fast. After I finished the first year and started the second, there were very few challenges left.
Open the html file in a text editor and look at what the code looks like.
Not only are there more than 300,000 words (according to Anthaum), they are "all over the place". Do you have any idea how to implement it in a way to have multiple languages?
Not to snuff you, but it's very improbable that someone from the dev team will want to go this way. My answer is of course in no way official or anything. That's just from the comments I've seen from them when people asked about versions in other languages.
Yeah, I know it's really hard... On the other hand it takes a lot of time, well, including the cost of hiring an expert to avoid word usage errors or misinterpretations... adding new languages is not a good idea, I guess. The game is not really finished and there are still many updates in the future, if a new language is added then at least the game should be finished first:p
Honestly, I really like this. It's one of my favorites out here. But, well.. Playing as a woman, in a way, feels more complete? I don't know how to say it properly, but, yeah.. Playing as a male doesn't really feel as fleshed out. Still pretty fun! 8/10, whole lotta potential
I feel the same way about the dom/sub elements. Feels like theres more sub content than dom.
Also the dom/sub stat feels a bit sensitive? Like if I'm casually nice, my sub level with that character goes up? I'm not even sure what exactly is increasing it, but I'm definitely not letting people walk all over/control me.
Some imporyant NPCs are straight, which is a bummer to me that their storylines are locked behind a gender-wall. Could that be changed so they are avaiable to all player characters? Or havs them be unmarked as important so people dont try to do anything and get frustrated when it doesng work.
Can you give an example? What happens if you change a gender of e.g. a cis female character with straight preferences to cis male, will she (now he) still like men? Or will he be straight and now like women?
I'm talking about the option during world generation to change the gender of some of the special characters.
None of the special NPCs are orientation-locked at all, except Roommate's Partner, which is locked to "some orientation that includes both Roommate and MC." Since Roommate is always the same AGAB as the MC, this is rarely relevant. They may be a specific orientation in that playthrough, but it's randomized based on the options you selected at the start. And with special NPCs, it actually prioritizes compatibility with your MC.
such a good game!! however i really want a lil mini pixel character on the side, sort of like degrees of lewdity has ! it would make the game a bit better on your eyes, even tho i like reading it would have that cool visual effect!!! overall i love the game otherwise :)
Do you think that the parents might eventually play a more active role? Like say I skip a lot of classes (oh, what about detention?) they could attempt to get in contact with the pc? I guess since the pc is an adult, they won't play a big role. But really? They sent their kid off to college and are now receiving money for whatever reason, so maybe they could check in a little? Like at the end of the semester or maybe when the pc sends them the money they could arrange a future call? Maybe ask a bit about where the money is coming from, because I know I'm not working at quickieburger.
Speaking of money, maybe things like loans, bank cards, wallets, and whatnot? Where are we even keeping our money when we're out in the middle of the night streaking? If I'm carrying that much money on me, I feel like I'd eventually get mugged. No? Mugging could be a thing (mainly cause I kind of want to mug the rich kid. For lack of anything interesting to do with them.)
Again, I'm asking for a lot. I don't expect any of it to be done, but I can put my thoughts here at least. Great game, either way.
I'd like to know the total amount of money due instead of just sending whatever the parent requests. I would like more parent content in general too. Honestly, it'd be nice to have an origin of 'rich kid' of not having any debt and going to the school on easy mode with an allowance from your parents purely based on how well you do in school and extra curricular activities. A flip on the money mechanics.
The official comment on the weekly payments - as written in the difficulty options settings - is: "The weekly debt payments are designed to keep some pressure on so you have to work a job or find money, which generally leads to interesting events." So while I find your suggestion very nice to have, I doubt this will be implemented very soon. If at all.
A lot of fun! Would love some more hypnosis events, like if you've progressed in them, people start using the hypnosis words maliciously.
I.E. Slippy being used to force you to flash in public areas, monty being used to steal clothes at the party, supernova being used by bullies to humiliate, etc.
One thing I would really like is an option to increase the chance of events happening/speed up event progression.
Also would like it if 'go to class' was made the top option for the art building when you have a class there. So often I have to go back because I'm spamming 1 and go to look at art instead of going to my class.
Been playing this the past few days and its quite intriguing, even in alpha it show a lot of promise! There are a lot of stuff it still needs but for something this early having as much as it does already is pretty sweet :D
I saw a post somewhere in the comments that mentioned working at the bar being in the next update and that would be great, being only able to work at the food hall on campus or Quickie, another food business, is a little lacklustre. I dunno if they have events as you go through as I've only gotten a raise once so far, but more variety would be nice.
A few suggestions that would be nice QoL improvements, whether they are seen or not I dunno I just would like to see them as most other games do:
- Working in shifts options, instead of having to do a single hour every time for work you can also set to work a certain amount of hours.
- FxF positions, such as scissoring, tribadism and such. There doesn't seem to be any at all beyond buying strap-ons and using them afaict.
- Random clothing sets for everyday wear. Currently the game only has randomisation for presets already set up but it would be nice to be able to select 'random' option or a specific style and the system auto-builds a set and equips it for you to speed things along.
- Filter options and categories for clothing. Having every piece of clothing in a section makes it quite messy, if you have a bunch of clothes it makes it a chore to go through it all. Having things searched with filters for tags like 'Jeans', 'Skirts' 'Blue' etc would be easier.
- Other options of travel, such as taking a taxi or learning to drive a motorbike/car would be nice alternatives to always taking the bus.
- Options to use Physicality, such as punching a bully/molester or other mean characters. Currently it doesn't seem to do much beyond making working out easier and passing collision/tripping checks.
- Character, item, clothing, hairstyles and Location portraits to illustrate things better. Mostly the character and Location images would do wonders, being able to actually see these things would help immensely though it would be hard to do characters as they are user defined and random. However allowing users to put custom portraits would be a good alternative.
- More masturbation options, such as grinding against things, DP with dildo (I don't know if it already does as when I try to it doesn't work), watching porn etc.
- The phone being in a separate window on the right side of the screen, so instead of it being an option on the left it is permanently accessible and open on the right. This would also help with the large amount of unused Screen Space and provide a quicker means of using the phone without a popup window. Especially as a lot of things seem to require its use.
- Phone customisations. Such as screen backgrounds, phone call chimes, covers etc. Seems minor but might be seen as a nice bit of extra customisation.
- Group Introductions. Having to speak to people one by one to learn their names is very tedious, having to earn enough friendship passively can also take a bit especially if the characters hate you for some reason. If you hang out with a group of people you should be able to introduce yourself and learn their names that way. Or if a group has people you already know except for one or two they introduce them.
Regardless I am looking forward to seeing where this goes and the future updates from the roadmap. Good luck with the game :D
I love this game, and I see a lot of potential. I’ve tried a lot of adult games on this site, but this one really hooked me with its sandbox gameplay. You need to manage your own things, not just the horny stuff that tries to get you wet every 10 minutes. Also, considering how small the size of this game is, I can easily have it on my phone.
I won’t comment much, but I see so much potential in this game. I’m not really sure what your roadmap is, but here’s what I think could be added:
**Quality of Life:**
- **New Skills?**
- **Artistic/Music:**
These could be the same thing, but it would make more sense if they were separate. Here’s why:
**Music:**
- You could add more classes.
- You could buy musical instruments, some that can be carried around or used at your “toy”, or the big one in your room for streaming.
- You could have a steam about music playing or singing.
- If you have small instruments in your inventory, you could play for tips at uni mall or at parties, which would increase your popularity.
**Artistic:**
- You could buy drawing equipment.
- You could actually draw and sell pictures online, both physical (which would sell for more, but you'd need to mail them yourself) and digital (which both could be SFW or NSFW). It might be hard to find customers at first, but after selling some art, you’d gain more credibility, making it easier to find clients.
**More About Other Skills:**
**Photography:**
- You could buy a camera.
- You could take freelance jobs as a photographer, which might work like a hangout event.
- Similar to art, you’d need more credibility to get clients, but if you miss a job or cancel, you’d lose credibility.
- You might be able to find photographer jobs more easily on Thursdays through the college website, before party day, as some people may need a photographer.
- You could film your own adult clips for extra money.
**Gardening:**
- You could buy a mini garden and grow crops in your room, like a greenhouse. You could sell them for lunch money, or if you have a mini fridge, you could add them to your food stock to make salads or other meals.
**Hidden Identity?**
- You could wear masks or head coverings to hide your identity when streaming. However, this might prevent fan events from happening.
**Seasonal Outfits?**
- I’ve seen my character walking around in shorts during winter without any problem. You could add cold effects or make it so that walking outside in minimal clothing makes the character feel cold or uncomfortable.
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**Adult stuff?**
**Night Clubs:**
- You can work there as a waiter or in "service jobs" that require dancing skills.
**Adult Playground:**
- I'm not great at naming things, but this place can be unlocked by purchasing a lot from the toy shop or through random events in "service jobs."
- It's a place where you need to pay a fee to enter. You can "play" with anyone in there, either "raw" or with toys, without shame. The people there are horny af or even hornier then you.
**Bully:**
- You can choose to become a bully and mug people for their lunch money. You can also counter mug bully who often mugs you. Doesn’t it feel good to dominate someone who thinks they have power?
**Good Girl/Boy:**
- If you have a high GPA, you might get bullied more (if you never fight back). You can choose to submit and be a good girl/boy or fight back and become a bully yourself.
- Bully interactions always result in negative friendship, but your reputation might improve if those are seen as you bullying another bully.
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Like I said, I see a lot of potential in this game. Sorry if you find a lot of strange wording; this is my second language. I just can't help myself from wanting to help you. It doesn't matter if those additions are made or not—this game is good either way.
Anthaum is not really active very much here on itch.
The best way to suggest changes/improvements/features is to become a Patron (the lowest tier is just 2$) and post them in the appropriate Discord channel.
add tribidism position. add a lingerie store. add the slut style under preferences for npcs under customization and starting look.
make it so u can tell ur partners to send you pictures.
make it so u can check on your subs to see if they are following the rules.
in the description for people make it say if they are trans or not and if they are going commando.
make the difficulty slider for need decay able to go to 0. why do sub and poly hangouts always end with sex? for a date it would make sense but not just a casual hangout. speaking of which they dont work right, all the partakes are constantly switching postions even though 9 people cant do it at once, they cant interact with each other. add threesome postions.
add a petplay inclination. add petplay like being taken for walks when its late at night. add animal tail buttplugs(Completed), pet collars.
when someone tries to be your dominant if you accept they give you a collar with ur name on it if u say yes, however if u ask to be some1s sub u dont receive one. if they ask to be ur sub or u ask them they dont get a collar with thei name on it. for the rules your dom can make u always wear a collar but u cant do that to your sub.
for me i have never had a dom give me a second rule. either make it so u can give your sub clothes that they have to wear or make a dropdown menu with all clothes according to type or multiple according to wear it is worn on the body.
add inclinations that better relate to dom/sub relationships.
all the submissive inclinations make it so that when ur first starting a sex scene it will say u will have to take the lead to get this anywhere but when it starts they might actively try to change position wont let u do cocktease ass or pussy if they are already doing that with the other until u ask and if u do they might try and change position, so basically they arent really that submissive they just arent dominant.
dont know what u meant about removed round limit in encounters but if it means what i think it means u didnt do anythign about it. after a certain amount of time sexual encounters just end automatically. and after both sides have came it ends.
add full nelson position.
carry fuck positions facing you with legs wrapped around you and facing away from you.
add wrapping legs around to missionary.
add actual bdsm gear the harnesses dont do anything at all.
TLDR; Popularity and exposing the breast area is the key. As far as I understand, the costume is completely irrelevant. Other that you have to wear one.
So, I was a very bad girl and have looked into the code and - as far as I understand -
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It depends on two factors. Your (or the other contestants') popularity and if you riled up the audience.
Enticing the audience means you have to expose your breast area. If you are female, this gives you 400 temp bonus points (_maxresponse). In case of a male it further depends on your build and can be 400 temp bonus points if your muscle >= 500 and your plumpness < 500 or else it's 200. Than the final bonus is randomly calculated between 400 (200) and 200 (100). So between the previously set temp bonus points and half of it. This is the formula:
set $costumepopbonus to setup.rir(_maxresponse / 2, _maxresponse)
Your popularity is the value of your reputation["popularity"]["student"]. You can examine this at runtime in the javascript console like this:
V.reputation["popularity"]["student"]
The other candidates are measured by their popularity and it's a pretty complicated formula which can yield a value between -1000 and 1000. The factors considered are wealth, charisma and inclinations. Look for the function
setup.people.npc_popularity
in the code for more details on this.
Then all contestants, including you, are put into an array which is sorted by the calculated values. That's how the winner and the other placements are determined.
The array used for the placement is _sorted and is a temp variable during the calculation event so just before the third place is announced.
This is the result of my analysis of the current (0.5.5f) code. I might as well have overlooked something and then my response could be completely wrong. I would have to test it but at the moment I have no char during the event.
Hmm. That's strange. I tested the game with three different browsers (Edge, Firefox and Chrome) and everything works fine.
What does it say if you right-click on the missing picture and choose "Open Image in New Tab" (Firefox) or something similar? In the new tab you should see in the address field where the browser is trying to open the picture from.
I noticed that games of the kind(not just this one) stays like this when I use the html from cellphone or tablet but the images shows-up when I try on the computer
You can only hook up with him at the moment. He's a special NPC so he's locked in a relationship with the cheerleader captain. Maybe in future updates, partnered special NPCs could be broken up too just like with partnered regular NPCs
ohhh, okis, thanks! so you cant romance the special NPC or only those of them with a relationship with others? Like, you can romance for example the best friend but you can with the roommate/roommate boyfriend?
It basically depends on their part in the story. Romance isn't possible (yet) with the quarterback, but you can have a D/s relationship with the RM/RMP since it's in their storyline. Some special NPCs (the rich kid, QuickieBurger owner, etc.), even if they're single, also aren't romanceable to male protagonists because they're straight.
There are a few threesome scenes if you have the slut inclination, are part of the swim team, or if you are polyamorous and have at least 2 partners.
For the slut inclination: You may get an event where someone stops you in the hall of your dorm and asks you to have sex with their friend who is still a virgin. Then they and their friend double team you.
For the swim team: Don't wanna spoil it but keep attending practices and meets until the dress code for practices changes. Then practice will occasionally give you the opportunity to have a threesome with your teammates.
For the polyamorous inclination: Get 2 people to be your poly partners and schedule a group hangout with them. If they both show up it ends in a threesome.
Could be a whole lot longer unfortunately! It took me most of the school year to trigger it. Swim team is especially tricky because you only have biweekly competitions, and I'm pretty sure progressing that storyline is locked behind doing well in competitions.
You'll know you're on the right track when coach starts offering you one on one training, then demands you do something sketchy during one on one training. Gaining relationship with The Quietly Determined Athlete may speed things along but I'm not 100% sure about that.
The game is good, but it is significantly better when played as a female character.
More thought and care went into the events for female characters, many events can only be experienced by female characters (milkshake, quickieburger mateo events), it generally reads less awkward... When playing as a male character, you can really see the areas that were poorly adapted for them. Which is unfortunate, I prefer playing as a (cis) male character in these types of games. But after trying out female (both cis and trans), you just get more and you can see that many scenes were written with them in mind. I would strongly recommend to anyone that doesn't have a strong preference for gender to go female.
I think - besides what MarloweC said, which I didn't know - the game is far from being finished and there is a lot of potential. It will surely be improved as time goes by.
Considering what MarloweC said, if you play cis male (and so I assume you have a lot of ideas for cis males) how about writing some events or event ideas and submitting them to anarchothaumaturgist? I think if they are good, anarchothaumaturgist might include them sooner or later. I think all the players would benefit from this.
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this is probably a rather stupid question and the way to access it is easy, but how do you access the gloryholes?
Go to the porn shop on different days with enough stats or do the dares with the roommate's partner.
Thank you very kindly!! 🩷
Loses virginity to classroom harasser. 2 Compliance needed.
Complain about classroom harasser.
Talks with best friend at night.
Your toon: Guess who isn't a virgin anymore.
Celebrates with best friend.
...really? 😂Seems like there should be a unique dialog for this that's less positive. Someone needs to go back and rewrite things.
I really like this game; simulation stuff like this is always so easy to get into a groove with. However. I wish there were more actual written/story-based events for intimate scenes, as just clicking the buttons and seeing a few sentences on what happens can get very repetitive. I know that that can be hard to implement, though. I just wish I could do more story-wise with the admirer or best friend, instead of the storylines just ending.
I don't think any of the storyline routes are complete yet. I imagine there will be a lot more added for all of them.
True! I really hope that that's the case, I love seeing progressions such as those :)
I wish you could change more about NPCs because there was one I was vibing with but he wouldnt date me cuz he was straight (at least, he was straight when he wasn't taking my dick ig)
I wish there were more (sexy) punishments for when you cheat on an exam.
maybe a way to only wash stained clothes
Do you mean to be able to wash single, selected, pieces of clothing? I don't know what else would be the motivation to implement what you propose.
I don't get it. Could someone explain it to me? The way it is implemented now, just wear something not stained and everything else will be washed. Including all the stained pieces. What's wrong with this?
Because you can only wear one set of clothing. If you have multiple, even the non-stained clothes are washed and you cannot change clothes.
I still don't get the point. The washing process takes only one hour? I just put everything inside, stay there and play a niche.tv video and voila, everything is clean. At least at the moment it doesn't matter if you wash your clean clothing a thousand (or more) times.
I do get however that one might want to wash just some selected pieces. Like just *some* stained but not all. So you can wear all your favorite, unnecessarily stained, panties while selling all the others stained ones to the perverts.
And tbh, I also would like the clothing getting dirty, not necessarily stained, after wearing it for a while. If this was the case and wearing dirty clothing would cause some reaction (which to my knowledge it doesn't atm), and if the capacity of the washing machine was limited, *then* selecting which pieces to wash would be 100% justified.
Yeah, dirty clothes could be a cool mechanic, have it add a flat debuff to the hygiene modifier or something; an incentive to actually interact with the washing machine even if you are inclined to avoid situations that gets your clothes dirty.
Having dirty clothes already reduces your hygiene stat. That mechanic is already in the game.
The point, that now is impossible to start wash clothes and go to participate at swimming competition.
You mean, it's impossible to go immediately, right? You can of course wait for one hour and go. There is nothing that would prevent you from doing it, right? So in the end we are talking about a one hour delay? In a game that plays over almost a year?
Well, everyone has their priorities, but tbh, the way the OP has written the original request, I would rather have Anthaum write new events instead.
And again, I don't mean I don't get the point of selecting pieces of clothing to wash separately. I do get it. Provided the game would add some really interesting reasons for it. Like what I wrote in my previous post.
My comments are only in relation to the OP's request. And I never had the problem with waiting the one hour when playing. But of course ymmv. Don't get mad at me. Not that I felt like anybody did.
Dirty clothes do have a reaction while in town. Not on campus, except as relates to hygiene stat.
I think it would be fun to have threesomes as an option. It could be calling two friends to yours or their bedroom, as long as it matches their sexuality.
I've heard of events like this if you're in the cheerleader team, but I'm speaking of "casually" calling two of your contacts for a threesome without needing to rely on an event that only happens if you're in a specific activity.
Are you working on the pregnancy feature ? I hope you can make a pregnancy features soon.
The longer it takes to implement, the worse it's going to be in the long run. It'll effect everything. It's not as simple as adding a new location or a new event/job. It'd be a core mechanic. Something that will most likely be a part of every old and new event and update. Past events and interactions might have to be rewritten to account for it. I'd think it's being worked on over several months in the background instead of something to simply add in a single month or two time of work.
Small changes have all ready been implemented anyway to account for pregnancy being a thing in the future. I'd probably expect they can add contraception before they add cycles, and then later on add actual pregnancy. Then you also have to factor in events of what certain npc would say if they're the one that got you or you got pregnant. Then other npc could potentially get others pregnant without you even being a factor. It's something that I'd probably not want to start putting into the game because it'd take so much time to do correctly. A weather system, housing system update, school update, and tons of other systems would be easier to implement than pregnancy at the moment.
Along with the menstrual cycle, the pill, the pill after, condoms and other means of birth control.
I feel like there should be an option to snub people. Like, I like the option to socialize with people before class, but it doesn't make sense that my character should try every day to talk to someone who clearly hates them and bullies them.
It also makes it hard to lose friendship with people if they make you mad (I'm looking at you, friend who keeps telling everyone I blew him. You don't get to stay my friend if you keep interrupting class to tell people that!)
So maybe a toggle on their info page where we can decide if we're mad at/avoiding them? And then when it comes time to socialize before class they won't show up in the people we try to strike up conversation with, or we ignore them if they do.
I was wondering if you could add a cheat to remove one of the master's rules. Mine just added one that fucked up how I have to dress just not to get in trouble
If it's not too late you can reload a save from before you were giving the rule, do things in a different order, and it will change the RNG and you may get a new rule to follow.
it's too late 😭
I was able to find my save from the day before and got a different rule!
Yaaay! :)
I noticed that since the recent update, the 'resist penetration' and 'ask not to penetrate' options always result in them relenting. Is this intentional? or is it a bug?
You might have the dominant skill and/or they have the submissive skill which increase the chance of them doing what you ask
I made sure they had the taker, sadist, and dom inclinations. i even made sure they hated me. all tests resulted in them relenting.
Im also using the dangerzone seed.
You mean the v0.6.0f version?
Correct. i have done multiple tests.
Location, inclinations, stats, friendliness, gender.
No matter what, if you Resist or ask. they will relent immediately.
Hmm.. I played so many versions lately that I don't really know. It's possible - and I believe you if you say so - that there is a new bug in the f version.
Since a g version was released, did it get better?
No. i won't blame the creators though. its a very small detail. you'd have to actively seek it out to notice.
most people just assume rng and move on. i wanted a specific result, and upon not getting it. i did some testing. so unless they intentionally removed it to be less... 'Rapey' It was probably broken in a tweak or something.
Can you tell me in which version it still worked? I would try to find the cause and if successful post a bug report on Discord. Or did you already do it?
This game needs body paint. That would work well with the exhibition gameplay.
Might I make a request for more activities to do when you chose to roleplay as a loner? I find it really hard to keep relaxation and attention up (although the addition of books have been interesting) without spending a day or so of the week spam clicking interaction with the pet.
Maybe an option to sit by yourself in the park (and have possible encounters with various NPC there) or work part-time at the school's library for money.
Isn't playing with niche.tv and CollegeCams as well as watching tv in the lounge perfectly fine for loners? These are pretty strong Relaxation wise. You can also always play games alone.
They restore relaxation, yes, but not attention. To my knowledge the only way to get attention as a loner is to be stared at when you ran into someone while you walk, and that's rather minimal. Otherwise it's constantly calling your friend to hang out and making sure you don't miss the nightly hangouts.
To be fair, getting low attention while being a loner is definitionally expected, but I think there should still be more activities to do though.
Yes, you are completely right. I forgot you mentioned both, Relaxation *and* Attention.
More activities are of course always welcome and if you are honest, the main work put into the game atm is to provide more activities. The whole River Rat thingy is full of new activities.
I think we are to see more and more activities as the development of the game progresses.
Streaming does absolutely nothing for Relaxation, and can increase Attention.
At this point, Pesha, with all your ludicrous comments, I am pretty well convinced you haven't actually played this game longer than it took for you to learn specific terms and are now just constantly trolling.
Not sure if bug, oversight, or if I'm missing an inclination or something, but...
After unlocking River Rat management and going straight to topless outfit (because what else?), the following takes place:
-Clock in
-Get told to put on Uniform
-Put on Topless Uniform
-"You can't go out like this! (You're not wearing a top.)"
(And for the record in case it changes something, I'm pretty sure I have every Exhibitionist inclination; Cautious, Lewd, Proud, and Helpless)
What's your Exhibitionism skill value? I would think this is too low. But you are probably right. Might be a bug. Anathaum said there will be an update soon-ish with a lot of further bug fixes.
10 Exhibitionism (Cheated playthrough because I restart every time there's a new update and don't feel like playing through everything manually to see new content).
Have you posted on Discord? There is a similar topic being discussed atm. Seems to be a bug in fact from what I've seen there so far.
I don't know if someone already asked this but why the bar of skills becomes blue sometimes? I haven't figured what it means
If Daily Skill Caps are on (toggleable in Options), the bars will turn blue to indicate that you have reached the cap for that day.
I personally find the most enjoyment with them off, but that's entirely up to you. On is the default and the way the game is intended to be played.
Oh, i see, i didn't even know that was a thing. Thanks!
Could we please get a "permanently ignore" option for the cat, it gets rather tedious constantly pressing ignore.
Why? Playing with it gives Charisma skill points and, if successful, Relaxation. Why would you want to shut this off?
1. It's personal preference, I have 0 interest in cats. If everything else is changeable through settings, why can't the cats be?
2. Why would I waste my time going to the cats for charisma when it is one of the easiest traits to build passively.
3. I'm not asking for the cats to be removed from the game... I'm not some self indulgent douche who thinks that simply because I don't have an interest that no one else should have that content...
Fair enough.
The squirting scene in the Clinic is diabolical. It deeply awakened a medical kink in me. Thank you. I love you.
I just had a thought. With the river rat being a bar and such it gave me the idea of why not add a bar maid dress to the game and you can get a slight work level up bonus when wearing it?
streaming, and river rat job performance take to long to level up
Well. Perhaps for now. And compared to the QuickieBurger you are completely right. Keep in mind though that at the moment we only have effectively one year of college life. The college will hopefully have all four years enabled some time in the future. Already now I think a lot of stuff is leveling up too fast. After I finished the first year and started the second, there were very few challenges left.
Do you intend to support more languages in the future? For example Vietnamese?
Open the html file in a text editor and look at what the code looks like.
Not only are there more than 300,000 words (according to Anthaum), they are "all over the place". Do you have any idea how to implement it in a way to have multiple languages?
Not to snuff you, but it's very improbable that someone from the dev team will want to go this way. My answer is of course in no way official or anything. That's just from the comments I've seen from them when people asked about versions in other languages.
Yeah, I know it's really hard... On the other hand it takes a lot of time, well, including the cost of hiring an expert to avoid word usage errors or misinterpretations... adding new languages is not a good idea, I guess. The game is not really finished and there are still many updates in the future, if a new language is added then at least the game should be finished first:p
Could you add a customization tool to change gender of NPCs ?
Honestly, I really like this. It's one of my favorites out here. But, well.. Playing as a woman, in a way, feels more complete? I don't know how to say it properly, but, yeah.. Playing as a male doesn't really feel as fleshed out. Still pretty fun! 8/10, whole lotta potential
I feel the same way about the dom/sub elements. Feels like theres more sub content than dom.
Also the dom/sub stat feels a bit sensitive? Like if I'm casually nice, my sub level with that character goes up? I'm not even sure what exactly is increasing it, but I'm definitely not letting people walk all over/control me.
Some imporyant NPCs are straight, which is a bummer to me that their storylines are locked behind a gender-wall. Could that be changed so they are avaiable to all player characters? Or havs them be unmarked as important so people dont try to do anything and get frustrated when it doesng work.
Can you give an example?
What happens if you change a gender of e.g. a cis female character with straight preferences to cis male, will she (now he) still like men? Or will he be straight and now like women?
I'm talking about the option during world generation to change the gender of some of the special characters.
None of the special NPCs are orientation-locked at all, except Roommate's Partner, which is locked to "some orientation that includes both Roommate and MC." Since Roommate is always the same AGAB as the MC, this is rarely relevant. They may be a specific orientation in that playthrough, but it's randomized based on the options you selected at the start. And with special NPCs, it actually prioritizes compatibility with your MC.
such a good game!! however i really want a lil mini pixel character on the side, sort of like degrees of lewdity has ! it would make the game a bit better on your eyes, even tho i like reading it would have that cool visual effect!!! overall i love the game otherwise :)
0.6 :D
Do you think that the parents might eventually play a more active role? Like say I skip a lot of classes (oh, what about detention?) they could attempt to get in contact with the pc? I guess since the pc is an adult, they won't play a big role. But really? They sent their kid off to college and are now receiving money for whatever reason, so maybe they could check in a little? Like at the end of the semester or maybe when the pc sends them the money they could arrange a future call? Maybe ask a bit about where the money is coming from, because I know I'm not working at quickieburger.
Speaking of money, maybe things like loans, bank cards, wallets, and whatnot? Where are we even keeping our money when we're out in the middle of the night streaking? If I'm carrying that much money on me, I feel like I'd eventually get mugged. No? Mugging could be a thing (mainly cause I kind of want to mug the rich kid. For lack of anything interesting to do with them.)
Again, I'm asking for a lot. I don't expect any of it to be done, but I can put my thoughts here at least. Great game, either way.
I'd like to know the total amount of money due instead of just sending whatever the parent requests. I would like more parent content in general too. Honestly, it'd be nice to have an origin of 'rich kid' of not having any debt and going to the school on easy mode with an allowance from your parents purely based on how well you do in school and extra curricular activities. A flip on the money mechanics.
The official comment on the weekly payments - as written in the difficulty options settings - is:
"The weekly debt payments are designed to keep some pressure on so you have to work a job or find money, which generally leads to interesting events."
So while I find your suggestion very nice to have, I doubt this will be implemented very soon. If at all.
Do you plan on adding more body types?
What body types aren't in the game?
Curvy
I mean. Isn't curvy kinda implied when you have big boobs, big butt, and a larger frame? You can already adjust all those values individually.
A lot of fun! Would love some more hypnosis events, like if you've progressed in them, people start using the hypnosis words maliciously.
I.E. Slippy being used to force you to flash in public areas, monty being used to steal clothes at the party, supernova being used by bullies to humiliate, etc.
One thing I would really like is an option to increase the chance of events happening/speed up event progression.
Also would like it if 'go to class' was made the top option for the art building when you have a class there. So often I have to go back because I'm spamming 1 and go to look at art instead of going to my class.
Been playing this the past few days and its quite intriguing, even in alpha it show a lot of promise! There are a lot of stuff it still needs but for something this early having as much as it does already is pretty sweet :D
I saw a post somewhere in the comments that mentioned working at the bar being in the next update and that would be great, being only able to work at the food hall on campus or Quickie, another food business, is a little lacklustre. I dunno if they have events as you go through as I've only gotten a raise once so far, but more variety would be nice.
A few suggestions that would be nice QoL improvements, whether they are seen or not I dunno I just would like to see them as most other games do:
- Working in shifts options, instead of having to do a single hour every time for work you can also set to work a certain amount of hours.
- FxF positions, such as scissoring, tribadism and such. There doesn't seem to be any at all beyond buying strap-ons and using them afaict.
- Random clothing sets for everyday wear. Currently the game only has randomisation for presets already set up but it would be nice to be able to select 'random' option or a specific style and the system auto-builds a set and equips it for you to speed things along.
- Filter options and categories for clothing. Having every piece of clothing in a section makes it quite messy, if you have a bunch of clothes it makes it a chore to go through it all. Having things searched with filters for tags like 'Jeans', 'Skirts' 'Blue' etc would be easier.
- Other options of travel, such as taking a taxi or learning to drive a motorbike/car would be nice alternatives to always taking the bus.
- Options to use Physicality, such as punching a bully/molester or other mean characters. Currently it doesn't seem to do much beyond making working out easier and passing collision/tripping checks.
- Character, item, clothing, hairstyles and Location portraits to illustrate things better. Mostly the character and Location images would do wonders, being able to actually see these things would help immensely though it would be hard to do characters as they are user defined and random. However allowing users to put custom portraits would be a good alternative.
- More masturbation options, such as grinding against things, DP with dildo (I don't know if it already does as when I try to it doesn't work), watching porn etc.
- The phone being in a separate window on the right side of the screen, so instead of it being an option on the left it is permanently accessible and open on the right. This would also help with the large amount of unused Screen Space and provide a quicker means of using the phone without a popup window. Especially as a lot of things seem to require its use.
- Phone customisations. Such as screen backgrounds, phone call chimes, covers etc. Seems minor but might be seen as a nice bit of extra customisation.
- Group Introductions. Having to speak to people one by one to learn their names is very tedious, having to earn enough friendship passively can also take a bit especially if the characters hate you for some reason. If you hang out with a group of people you should be able to introduce yourself and learn their names that way. Or if a group has people you already know except for one or two they introduce them.
Regardless I am looking forward to seeing where this goes and the future updates from the roadmap. Good luck with the game :D
I would LOVE to see crossdressing interactions. Maybe something like Degrees of Lewdity has!
I mean there is something for a specific event involving a male player wearing a full bikini in the swimming pool when hanging out with a character
I love this game, and I see a lot of potential. I’ve tried a lot of adult games on this site, but this one really hooked me with its sandbox gameplay. You need to manage your own things, not just the horny stuff that tries to get you wet every 10 minutes. Also, considering how small the size of this game is, I can easily have it on my phone.
I won’t comment much, but I see so much potential in this game. I’m not really sure what your roadmap is, but here’s what I think could be added:
**Quality of Life:**
- **New Skills?**
- **Artistic/Music:**
These could be the same thing, but it would make more sense if they were separate. Here’s why:
**Music:**
- You could add more classes.
- You could buy musical instruments, some that can be carried around or used at your “toy”, or the big one in your room for streaming.
- You could have a steam about music playing or singing.
- If you have small instruments in your inventory, you could play for tips at uni mall or at parties, which would increase your popularity.
**Artistic:**
- You could buy drawing equipment.
- You could actually draw and sell pictures online, both physical (which would sell for more, but you'd need to mail them yourself) and digital (which both could be SFW or NSFW). It might be hard to find customers at first, but after selling some art, you’d gain more credibility, making it easier to find clients.
**More About Other Skills:**
**Photography:**
- You could buy a camera.
- You could take freelance jobs as a photographer, which might work like a hangout event.
- Similar to art, you’d need more credibility to get clients, but if you miss a job or cancel, you’d lose credibility.
- You might be able to find photographer jobs more easily on Thursdays through the college website, before party day, as some people may need a photographer.
- You could film your own adult clips for extra money.
**Gardening:**
- You could buy a mini garden and grow crops in your room, like a greenhouse. You could sell them for lunch money, or if you have a mini fridge, you could add them to your food stock to make salads or other meals.
**Hidden Identity?**
- You could wear masks or head coverings to hide your identity when streaming. However, this might prevent fan events from happening.
**Seasonal Outfits?**
- I’ve seen my character walking around in shorts during winter without any problem. You could add cold effects or make it so that walking outside in minimal clothing makes the character feel cold or uncomfortable.
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**Adult stuff?**
**Night Clubs:**
- You can work there as a waiter or in "service jobs" that require dancing skills.
**Adult Playground:**
- I'm not great at naming things, but this place can be unlocked by purchasing a lot from the toy shop or through random events in "service jobs."
- It's a place where you need to pay a fee to enter. You can "play" with anyone in there, either "raw" or with toys, without shame. The people there are horny af or even hornier then you.
**Bully:**
- You can choose to become a bully and mug people for their lunch money. You can also counter mug bully who often mugs you. Doesn’t it feel good to dominate someone who thinks they have power?
**Good Girl/Boy:**
- If you have a high GPA, you might get bullied more (if you never fight back). You can choose to submit and be a good girl/boy or fight back and become a bully yourself.
- Bully interactions always result in negative friendship, but your reputation might improve if those are seen as you bullying another bully.
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Like I said, I see a lot of potential in this game. Sorry if you find a lot of strange wording; this is my second language. I just can't help myself from wanting to help you. It doesn't matter if those additions are made or not—this game is good either way.
CoT Roadmap, which is one of the links at the top, btw.
And, generally, CoT Wiki
Anthaum is not really active very much here on itch.
The best way to suggest changes/improvements/features is to become a Patron (the lowest tier is just 2$) and post them in the appropriate Discord channel.
add tribidism position. add a lingerie store. add the slut style under preferences for npcs under customization and starting look.
make it so u can tell ur partners to send you pictures.
make it so u can check on your subs to see if they are following the rules.
in the description for people make it say if they are trans or not and if they are going commando.
make the difficulty slider for need decay able to go to 0. why do sub and poly hangouts always end with sex? for a date it would make sense but not just a casual hangout. speaking of which they dont work right, all the partakes are constantly switching postions even though 9 people cant do it at once, they cant interact with each other. add threesome postions.
add a petplay inclination. add petplay like being taken for walks when its late at night. add animal tail buttplugs(Completed), pet collars.
when someone tries to be your dominant if you accept they give you a collar with ur name on it if u say yes, however if u ask to be some1s sub u dont receive one. if they ask to be ur sub or u ask them they dont get a collar with thei name on it. for the rules your dom can make u always wear a collar but u cant do that to your sub.
for me i have never had a dom give me a second rule. either make it so u can give your sub clothes that they have to wear or make a dropdown menu with all clothes according to type or multiple according to wear it is worn on the body.
add inclinations that better relate to dom/sub relationships.
all the submissive inclinations make it so that when ur first starting a sex scene it will say u will have to take the lead to get this anywhere but when it starts they might actively try to change position wont let u do cocktease ass or pussy if they are already doing that with the other until u ask and if u do they might try and change position, so basically they arent really that submissive they just arent dominant.
dont know what u meant about removed round limit in encounters but if it means what i think it means u didnt do anythign about it. after a certain amount of time sexual encounters just end automatically. and after both sides have came it ends.
add full nelson position.
carry fuck positions facing you with legs wrapped around you and facing away from you.
add wrapping legs around to missionary.
add actual bdsm gear the harnesses dont do anything at all.
nice game tbh
Exactly!
And it has so much potential for further development.
I'm so, so happy that the dev is actively developing it and even tries as best as is possible to consider the players' inputs.
Thanks a lot, anarchothaumaturgist.
help! I really want to know how to win the costume contest
TLDR; Popularity and exposing the breast area is the key. As far as I understand, the costume is completely irrelevant. Other that you have to wear one.
So, I was a very bad girl and have looked into the code and - as far as I understand -
==== SPOILERS ====
It depends on two factors. Your (or the other contestants') popularity and if you riled up the audience.
Enticing the audience means you have to expose your breast area. If you are female, this gives you 400 temp bonus points (_maxresponse). In case of a male it further depends on your build and can be 400 temp bonus points if your muscle >= 500 and your plumpness < 500 or else it's 200. Than the final bonus is randomly calculated between 400 (200) and 200 (100). So between the previously set temp bonus points and half of it. This is the formula:
Your popularity is the value of your reputation["popularity"]["student"]. You can examine this at runtime in the javascript console like this:
The other candidates are measured by their popularity and it's a pretty complicated formula which can yield a value between -1000 and 1000. The factors considered are wealth, charisma and inclinations. Look for the function
in the code for more details on this.
Then all contestants, including you, are put into an array which is sorted by the calculated values. That's how the winner and the other placements are determined.
The array used for the placement is _sorted and is a temp variable during the calculation event so just before the third place is announced.
This is the result of my analysis of the current (0.5.5f) code. I might as well have overlooked something and then my response could be completely wrong. I would have to test it but at the moment I have no char during the event.
hey i see this instead of pictures.. is it supposed to be like this? (love the game)
No, of course not. Do you play the game from your disk?
If yes, besides the file
there should also be a directory called
with all the image assets inside.
If not, something went wrong during unzipping.
yea its from the download and i have the image directory so idk what's wrong
Hmm. That's strange. I tested the game with three different browsers (Edge, Firefox and Chrome) and everything works fine.
What does it say if you right-click on the missing picture and choose "Open Image in New Tab" (Firefox) or something similar? In the new tab you should see in the address field where the browser is trying to open the picture from.
I noticed that games of the kind(not just this one) stays like this when I use the html from cellphone or tablet but the images shows-up when I try on the computer
going on when past updates we should be getting a new update in the next week or so.
yep, anthaum posted early access on the first, and it’s typically public a week later
Can you date (romance) Jameson as a male protagonist?
names aren’t the same if you changed the seed, do you mean the best friend?
ohh, i was referring the star quarterback, the captain of the football team?
You can only hook up with him at the moment. He's a special NPC so he's locked in a relationship with the cheerleader captain. Maybe in future updates, partnered special NPCs could be broken up too just like with partnered regular NPCs
ohhh, okis, thanks! so you cant romance the special NPC or only those of them with a relationship with others? Like, you can romance for example the best friend but you can with the roommate/roommate boyfriend?
It basically depends on their part in the story. Romance isn't possible (yet) with the quarterback, but you can have a D/s relationship with the RM/RMP since it's in their storyline. Some special NPCs (the rich kid, QuickieBurger owner, etc.), even if they're single, also aren't romanceable to male protagonists because they're straight.
A threesome sex option is required
there are threesome scenes, but i think it only shows if you’re promiscuous/the school slut
There are a few threesome scenes if you have the slut inclination, are part of the swim team, or if you are polyamorous and have at least 2 partners.
For the slut inclination: You may get an event where someone stops you in the hall of your dorm and asks you to have sex with their friend who is still a virgin. Then they and their friend double team you.
For the swim team: Don't wanna spoil it but keep attending practices and meets until the dress code for practices changes. Then practice will occasionally give you the opportunity to have a threesome with your teammates.
For the polyamorous inclination: Get 2 people to be your poly partners and schedule a group hangout with them. If they both show up it ends in a threesome.
I’ve been on the swim team for more than half a month in game, how much longer do i need to wait?
Could be a whole lot longer unfortunately! It took me most of the school year to trigger it. Swim team is especially tricky because you only have biweekly competitions, and I'm pretty sure progressing that storyline is locked behind doing well in competitions.
You'll know you're on the right track when coach starts offering you one on one training, then demands you do something sketchy during one on one training. Gaining relationship with The Quietly Determined Athlete may speed things along but I'm not 100% sure about that.
Oh, that’s quite daunting. Thanks for the response anyways.
Also being the cheerleader you can sometimes have to please two football players. No slut inclination necessary I think.
The game is good, but it is significantly better when played as a female character.
More thought and care went into the events for female characters, many events can only be experienced by female characters (milkshake, quickieburger mateo events), it generally reads less awkward... When playing as a male character, you can really see the areas that were poorly adapted for them. Which is unfortunate, I prefer playing as a (cis) male character in these types of games. But after trying out female (both cis and trans), you just get more and you can see that many scenes were written with them in mind. I would strongly recommend to anyone that doesn't have a strong preference for gender to go female.
The author is female, so I think this is because she put in a bunch of events based on her own experiences.
I think - besides what MarloweC said, which I didn't know - the game is far from being finished and there is a lot of potential. It will surely be improved as time goes by.
Considering what MarloweC said, if you play cis male (and so I assume you have a lot of ideas for cis males) how about writing some events or event ideas and submitting them to anarchothaumaturgist? I think if they are good, anarchothaumaturgist might include them sooner or later. I think all the players would benefit from this.